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#1 CALLY

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Posted 01 February 2008 - 12:47 AM

How can you keep calm when you buy the most beautiful thing you have seen, knowig she is not right but didnt realise it was to the extent of pure heart break. I bought Daisy 18 mths ago with scars all over her but she was just mine as soon as she saw me and i saw her. Any way after 3mths of having her she came very lame and was told by my farrier and vet she had bruised sole and had to go on box rest. The box rest lasted 10 1/2 mths still finding her to be very lame. I demanded with a new vet she had xrays to my amazement she had a rotated pedal bone, 3 years old he put it. How can anybody sell a horse knowing that and not treat it.(then again how did my first vet and farrier not see it) She started treatment 20 weeks ago and has been in Just over 20 weeks, she decided just over a week ago that she had had enough and booted the stable causing further scars to her back legs. This has since got infected with the vet demanding she went stright to his hospital to ensure it had not gone in her joint (a hoc injury).

They ultra sounded and xrayed her eventually gave the all clear, they then decided seen as she was there to do a further xray on her front left (rotated pedal bone) to see how it was doing.

To my shock and the vets it has rotated further, the vets words were how she can stand on it is hard to understand but how she is still walking on it is even harder. He also could not understand that she was still comfortable with it.

She has now come home but they have given me ACP to sedate her and see how she is in a week, if all is ok he wants the farrier to come and take more toe off her with the heart bar shoe.

This is worrying me more nad more cos i dont want to loose her but i dont want her in pain.

Does anyone have any miracle cases they have heard or any advise.

The last thing the vet said was cos she is resting the leg it is pulling on her tendon that is causing the pedal bone to rotate further.


Please please please give any advise you may think can help.

Cally

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Posted 01 February 2008 - 11:20 AM

Hello and welcome. I can't help but Suzi may be able to - shes unfortunately our lami expert.
Shes a lovely looking mare and best of luck.

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Posted 01 February 2008 - 12:45 PM

Welcome to HT Cally.

What a lovely mare she is - sorry i'm no help either but as Cathy said Suzi will be very helpful, and Sian will be too.

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Posted 01 February 2008 - 01:26 PM

Hi Cally, Welcome to Horse Trace.
You have a lovely looking mare there it's such a shame about her past, I do hope that she pulls through for you.
Sorry no advice here either but hopefully some of the others can offer some advice.

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Posted 01 February 2008 - 02:44 PM

Welcome Cally and so sorry to read about your mare, I don't have any answers either I'm afraid but I really hope their is something wonerful out there for you

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Posted 01 February 2008 - 04:23 PM

Hello and Welcome.

She was on box rest for 10 and a half months before being x-rayed? Did I read that right? :tomato: However, I'd imagine that the flexor tendon could well shorten/stiffen/contract from being permanently contracted and I'm sure I've read about it being a problem in long-term non-weightbearance.

Hope something works out for you.

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Posted 01 February 2008 - 07:13 PM

Yes, sounds like a Suzi topic, I don't know enough about it to give advice.


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Posted 01 February 2008 - 08:00 PM

Hi Cally, Welcome to HT and so sorry to hear about your mare. My pony is currently in with laminitis and pedal bone rotation, though he is well on the road to recovery now. His rotation was not too bad really, there are pics on here, I will find the link, maybe you can compare to your xrays? Another horse on our yard had severe rotation and recovered 101% and now competes etc as before. He was referred to a specialist laminitis farrier in our area which was expensive but it was paid for by insurance. This farrier is a nut job but he knows all there is to know about pedal bone rotation and how to deal with it.

Pedal bone damage is horrid and each case is totally individual unfortunately. The best thing you can do is follow your vets advice to the letter and if you are in any doubt about the competence of either your vet or farrier do not hesitate to get a second opinion.

Does she have laminitis now or is the rotation only a result of previous damage? The main thing is to pinpoint the cause of the problem as this will help you to prevent further rotation. Blood tests can be helpful. Has she only suffered damage in one foot or is in several feet but much worse in just one?

Very best wishes and hope she recovers. Keep us updated and we will all try to help. XX

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Posted 01 February 2008 - 11:46 PM

Hi Cally, Welcome to HT and so sorry to hear about your mare. My pony is currently in with laminitis and pedal bone rotation, though he is well on the road to recovery now. His rotation was not too bad really, there are pics on here, I will find the link, maybe you can compare to your xrays? Another horse on our yard had severe rotation and recovered 101% and now competes etc as before. He was referred to a specialist laminitis farrier in our area which was expensive but it was paid for by insurance. This farrier is a nut job but he knows all there is to know about pedal bone rotation and how to deal with it.

Pedal bone damage is horrid and each case is totally individual unfortunately. The best thing you can do is follow your vets advice to the letter and if you are in any doubt about the competence of either your vet or farrier do not hesitate to get a second opinion.

Does she have laminitis now or is the rotation only a result of previous damage? The main thing is to pinpoint the cause of the problem as this will help you to prevent further rotation. Blood tests can be helpful. Has she only suffered damage in one foot or is in several feet but much worse in just one?

Very best wishes and hope she recovers. Keep us updated and we will all try to help. XX



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Posted 01 February 2008 - 11:59 PM

Good evening to you all ( i hope i got this reply correct ha ha)

Good news in a way Daisy is walking alot freer tonight and is straightening her leg, I have been looking deep into this matter with her as it is such an old injury (if thats what i can call it), i have come across a world wide farrier forum of whom have been really good and the information has been really helpful.

One of the cases is similar to Daisy where the DDFT is getting in the way and due to her resting the leg the DDFT is pulling the pedal bone further back, you will never know how hard it is telling her to straighten her leg 50 times a min but if thats what i have to do then i will. She is bearing more weight on the left front (rotated) and straightening it out a little more but the forum was saying they iced the leg (ice pack) for an hour then left and then did again for an hour and so on.

Does anybody have any idea if this will help the DDFT to relax or will it contract if further.

I also have bought teh equissage and the hand held unit will this help or could it cause further problems.

Yes i have asked to the vet to call but still no reply due to emergency earlier today.

THE REPLY TO 10 1/2 MTHS BOX REST DUE TO THE FIRST VET AND FARRIER IS CORRECT. OH HOW I WISH I NEW MORE THEN LIKE I KNOW NOW AND THE PEOPLE I NOW KNOW THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN WELL ON THE WAY TO REAIR AND RECOVERY.

On the other hand at this moment in time Daisy is very content and very sprightly I will get a photo of her in her million dollar bedding (or thats how it feels when mucking out a 12-18" bed ha ha)

Cally

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 11:32 PM

Hi Cally,
I had a thought about your mare's tendon problem... would it be possible to give her Oxytetracycline ?, this is what they use for foals with very contracted tendons, it causes the tendons to 'relax'...perhaps it would be worth asking your vet, I don't know if it works in older horses or in chronic cases... and yes, it is an antibiotic but for some reason it has this affect.


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Posted 30 April 2008 - 02:07 PM

Hi everybody, I'm new here.

I know exactly how you feel cally, as my cob has been intermittently lame since the end of January and my vet and blacksmith have been treating him for a stone bruise/puncture. He became so terribly lame at the weekend I called a different vet out on Sunday, and was HORRIFIED when he told me Bobs had a dropped sole (rotated pedal bone) I'd asked the blacksmith about the flatness of his sole and he didn't tell me this was the probable cause. To be fair I'd found a nasty jagged stone on Bobs' stable floor and said this must be the problem (later discovered a new batch of hay had stones in it so have stopped using it).

The vet took x-rays on Monday and I was so shocked to see how his pedal bone had dropped down. He's on box rest now and the blacksmith has ordered him some heart bar plastic shoes - I am PRAYING that these will provide enough support to enable Bobs to walk more comfortably. The vet says he has a 50% chance of recover - I'd be heartbroken to lose him as he is nearly 14 and I've had since since he was a tiny fluffy foal.

I was really comforted to read above about the horse which made a full recover. Fingers crossed for Bobs !!!


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Posted 30 April 2008 - 04:02 PM

Hello Karen and [WELCOME to HT :D

I am so sorry to hear your problem with Bobs, he is obviously very special to you. I hope that he will improve and return to normal very quickly.



My mare Rosie had a dropped pedal bone but returned to complete soundness and never had problems again, although of course she died 18 months later to GS.

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 04:53 PM

Thank you for the welcome, Ruth. I am so sorry to hear that your mare, Rosie, died. What is GS?

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 04:54 PM

Hi Karen,
have you thought about 'Imprint' shoes ? they do a realy good job and conform to the shape of the feet.....

http://www.imprintsh...uk/products.htm

I've seen them used and they really do do it!

Welcome to Horsetrace and I hope your boy improves :D


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Posted 30 April 2008 - 04:55 PM

She had Grass Sickness Karen.

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 06:48 PM

Welcome to Horse Trace Karen.
Good luck with Bobs I do hope he pulls through, let us know how he gets on.
Fingers crossed for you.

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 11:12 PM

Hi Karen,

WELCOME TO HORSE TRACE.

Ruth did have a link to Rosies GS (grass sickness) story (which seriously made me cry)

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Posted 01 May 2008 - 12:32 PM

Yes, I removed it at Christmas to put in Christmas things and never put it back.
Here is the link to her story (2nd item down)

http://horsetrace.com/news.php

And this is a memorial video I made.

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Posted 13 May 2008 - 08:48 PM

I have read the story Cally has told with great sadness but also great relief. I too have ended up with a horse with a pedal bone rotation, I too was told it was just abcesses and now I too have taken another opinion and found out the devastating truth. Out of everything I have desperately read throughout the day, this site has given me the information I needed. Tomorrow I go to the vets to see how Ted (only 5 yrs old) might be best dealt with. The vet has also said it's the worse case he has ever seen. The x-rays on this site have shown me what to expect and what to decide when the time comes.

Understanding is the biggest problem I think, I now understand what it might take to turn things around.

So I would like to thank those people including Cally who have contributed to the site in such a candid manner without you I would be having a very sleepless night. It highlights a very big issue sometimes you have to go with your instincts you know your horse better than anyone else. If the diagnosis doesn't sound right chances are it might not be. Don't be afraid to get a second opinion, it might save you more in the long run better still it might save your horse.

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Posted 14 May 2008 - 01:54 PM

Hello Numpty, and Welcome to Horsetrace.

I am sorry to hear of the situation you are in, especially with Ted only being 5 years old. I am pleased that this website has helped you. We would be delighted to see you back so we can support and help you in any way we can.

Take care :D




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